Dragon Ball AF Origin Revealed

super saiyan 5 goku dragon ball af

The origin of Dragon Ball AF has remained a mystery for over 13 years. Today that mystery will be solved and you will finally discover the true origin of the fan created Dragon Ball series that became a worldwide phenomenon.

To bring you up to speed, the Dragon Ball AF series was a complete lie that was promoted by fans as “the next official Dragon Ball series.” This was never true and still isn’t, but the rumor took on such massive proportions that it inspired fans to create their own manga, toys, action figures, fan fiction and anime with the same name of Dragon Ball AF, perpetuating the rumor even longer and making it appear official.

You can read more about it on my Dragon Ball AF Explained article.

Today’s article will show you where it began. Namely, with the image above.

This image launched a tidal wave of crap onto the internet that is still being sifted through today.

So it has now become important to ask the following 3 questions.

Where did this come from? Who created it? Who is it supposed to be?

It took 13 years to solve these mysteries, and now on The Dao of Dragon Ball the true origin of Dragon Ball AF will finally be revealed!

Where Did this Image Come From?

Aside from asking this obvious question, seemingly nobody cared enough to try and track it down. Or they attempted to and failed.

The rumor mill of a new Dragon Ball series was and still is so strong (via Dragon Ball Hoshi) that all people cared about was the IDEA of a new, higher level Goku.

Most Dragon Ball fans want there to be a new Dragon Ball series, so they latched onto it like a hungry dog on a steak and wouldn’t let it go, no matter how convincing the counter arguments.

With each additional fan image, fan fiction, fan manga or fan animated episode, Dragon Ball AF took on a life of its own and its origins became more and more trivial.

The mystery of who created Dragon Ball AF faded into oblivion.

So it was with great surprise that on February 15, 2012 I found a conversation on the Kanzenshuu.com (formerly Daizenshuu EX) forums discussing this very issue.

A member with the username of Raykugen said on this Dragon Ball thread that he found the original image in an old Spanish video game magazine called Hobby Consolas.

hobby consolas magazin dragon ball star wars cover 1999

This Hobby Consolas was issue 92, of May 1999, and was a magazine that focused on console gaming and pop culture, which included things like Star Wars and anime titles such as Dragon Ball.

Raykugen says that he lives in Spain and remembers reading that the image was first seen here. So he got a copy of the magazine.

dragon ball af hobby magazine inside page

The image appears on page 134 in the reader fan mail section where readers could ask the staff questions and submit their pop culture fan art.

Dragon Ball fan art was a common sight in hobbyist magazines of this era because it was so exceptionally popular. This was as true in Spain as it was in the United States.

Here’s a close up of the image.

dragon ball af hobby magazine super saiyan 5 goku

This was most likely the first place it was ever seen by the public.

Whoever first posted it on the internet must have scanned it from this magazine with a low quality scanner. It then circulated around the internet in various forms, losing even more quality with each revision until you see what is visible at the top of the article.

Who Created This Image?

dragon ball af goku first appearance close name

If you take a closer look at the bottom left portion of the magazine you’ll see the name “David Montiel Franco,” from “Alicante.”

Then if you zoom into the image’s bottom left corner you’ll see a signature.

dragon ball af super saiyan 5 goku

With the image turned on its side you can sort of decipher the signature as “David Montiel F”

Another Kanzenshuu.com forum member named Tzigi tracked David down to a university in Alicante, Spain.

I then emailed David with a short list of questions in both English and Spanish via Google Translate, notifying him of the ongoing discussion and saying that I am a Dragon Ball researcher looking for clarification on the origin of Dragon Ball AF.

David didn’t respond to ANY of the questions. This is all he wrote:

“Dear Sir, You will find more details on this blog:
http://af-dragonball.blogspot.com/. Regards.”

Uh… okay then.

If you go to the site you’ll see the original image we’ve analyzed so far along with several other Dragon Ball looking characters drawn in a similar Dragon Ball type of style. They all appear to be done by the same person.

But you’ll also be very confused because while it does provide visual validation it unfortunately provides no written information.

Is this an Image of Goku?

goku ssj5 dragon ball af

A modern rendition of the classic Dragon Ball AF image by Toyble

We’re at the last step of the puzzle.

This image was a new creation that nobody had ever seen, seemingly not much different from any other fan art.

What made it so unique is that it had a “Dragon Ball AF” logo on it, implying that it was somehow a new series. And the face and body resembled Super Saiyan 4 Goku with uniquely white hair, so somebody apparently called it Super Saiyan 5 Goku and then everyone ran with it.

Theories abound about how Goku had fused with Shenlong the God Dragon at the end of GT and become immortal, or reached some kind of super advanced form, turning his hair white.

But is that person really Goku?

The image is fascinating because it certainly looks like Goku but it has such distinctive non-Goku type features that it raised a lot of questions.

Why is he wearing such weird clothes? Why is his hair and fur white? Is he taller? If he is wearing earrings, is it actually a potara fusion of Goku and Vegeta or has he become divine like the Kai’s?

On David’s blog the classic image being discussed was not titled Goku or any other derivative. It was titled “Tablos.”

Tablos?!

I followed up with a second email, this time translated into Spanish by Raykugen, an actual Spaniard, to make sure David understood.

Among a few other clarifying questions I asked,

“Were you the first one to create the Dragon Ball AF image labeled “Tablos”? It’s also the same name as your username on Blogspot. So is that the characters name and your username, or is it supposed to be Super Saiyajin 5 Goku and it just has your username on it? Did you originally draw this in 1999 and then submit it to the Hobby magazine?”

Weeks went by and on March 16 he responded with an only slightly more informative response:

“Hello Derek, I am the author of all of these pictures (Tablos picture included.) In my DBAF Gokuh is dead, he does not appear anywhere. You will find the beginning of the DBAF story on my blog soon. Regards. David.”

Really?! Goku’s dead?

Interesting.

That’s Not Super Saiyan 5 Goku!

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"Super Saiyan 5 Goku" by BK '81

From this short response we learn that David Montiel Franco is the originator of the Super Saiyan 5 Goku image, which he states is not actually Super Saiyan 5 Goku. It’s Tablos, an original creation that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Goku!

This should come as a shock because it’s this image of “Goku” that spawned the entire Dragon Ball AF fandom, the millions of fans across the world looking for information about “the new Dragon Ball series,” over a decade of lies and outright crazyness, and eventually legitimate fan created Dragon Ball AF manga featuring this character as depicted.

It also led to Super Saiyan 6 Goku, Super Saiyan 7 Goku, Super Saiyan 10 Goku, all the way up to Super Saiyan 50 Goku. Without this image, which isn’t even Goku to begin with, we wouldn’t have Dragon Ball AF, which is a series all about Goku.

All of the fan art, high quality recreations of this image, and derivative works centered around this character being Goku, were, according to the existence of this Tablos character, off track from the very beginning.

Does that mean that they have no value as art? No it does not.

But to re-emphasize this once again… This is not Goku. So should we now question the existing Dragon Ball AF character, or can he still remain as Goku with the same design?

I don’t believe it even matters at this point.

Dragon Ball AF has taken on a life of its own, and whether it’s Super Saiyan 5 Goku, Tablos, or even some other person, each of those AF stories stands on its own.

Regardless of the characters or the quality of drawings, which can vary wildly, what’s important is what they represent: The hopes and dreams of every Dragon Ball fan who wishes for the story to continue.

And that is something history can never change, even if it is rewritten.

The Origin of Dragon Ball AF Revealed

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I will admit that I sat on this information for months because I had no other source of confirmation, and that’s because none came up.

I did doubt. I wondered. I wished that David had answered my other questions and could provide more proof.

But I am grateful that he responded and claimed ownership. That in itself is a huge step forward after years of complete silence.

In addition, the other drawings on the site look uncannily similar to the first.

So I can’t help but conclude that David is the originator of the “Super Saiyan 5 Goku” and essentially the spark that fueled the flame of the entire Dragon Ball AF phenomenon.

Without David Montiel Franco and this image the gargantuan rumor that is still going strong would never have begun and you wouldn’t be reading this.

As a result you now know the origin of Dragon Ball AF. A mystery that took over a decade to solve.



  • tzigi

    Thanks for mentioning me :)
    Would you mind if I translated it into Polish so that also the Polish community can benefit from your effort? Than you could either post it somewhere here (so that you will keep complete control over it) or I would post it on some Polish DB-related website. Thanks in advance!

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Please do. I’m grateful for your help, because without you I may not have written David and then this article wouldn’t exist.

      I think it’s better if you post it somewhere else because I don’t want to have multiple languages on the site. All I ask is that in addition to your own name you put my name, my website and a link to the original article URL at the top of the Polish version. That way it will be clear that I’m the original author.

      Thanks, tzigi!

  • AMF

    It’s almost hard to believe that the AF mystery had been around for over 13 years and *no one* made that connection. I do think it’s pretty ironic that something that kicked off so many fan-created works about Goku, actually had nothing to do with Goku in the first place.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      It’s crazy that it took this long, isn’t it?

      I agree about the irony. Thinking about it further I’d say the growth of Dragon Ball AF was caused by "the right image at the right time." It looked like Super Saiyan 4 Goku but was just different enough to be intriguing, and it came at the point when the (apparently naive) fans were looking for more information about Dragon Ball on the internet. They saw this image and woosh! The rest is history.

      It’s similar to Dragon Ball Hoshi in several ways. Luckily I’ve already explained that one away. Now it’s just a matter of time until it disappears. But of course you never know. It could stick around for the same reasons AF is still here.

      • AMF

        I thought the Hoshi myth had been pretty much dispelled but occasionally I’ll see it crop up again. I wonder why people are so desperate to see a continuation of the series? Is it because a large portion of the fandom found GT to be unsatisfactory?

        • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

          I think the short answer is because Dragon Ball inspires them to be better people, it’s fun, and it has positive ideals mixed with engaging action. They want more of that, and in a new way.

        • DBZfan4LIFE

          Yeah…
          GT did kinda suck with Goku being turned into a kid, Vegeta being a thug with short hair and briefly a moustache, piccolo dying, and Gohan being a complete wussy. The worst part was that Vegeta lost his Saiyan pride. THEY RUINED MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!

          • DBZfan4LIFE

            I still think Hoshi should be at least skimmed by Toriyama and at least considered to become a real show.

  • Dad

    Your perseverance in tracking down this information and the originator of this "AF – pending release" issue is amazing. I think you should develop a direct link with Snopes so that they’ll automatically list your DBZ Blog as the "Ultimate" authority for all DBZ issues, as in "See or read Derek and his DBZ blog". Then the original creator of this phenomenon can enjoy his retirement. ;o)

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Thanks, dad. I’m not sure if Snopes has an "anime" section but I could certainly use more distribution across the web in general.

      Doing articles like this is really hard but rewarding. Makes me think I could be an investigative reporter or a legitimate scholar, in the true sense.

  • cob1

    Wow… Great job finding this out! I never would have even THOUGHT to research this subject and, I consider myself highly intelligent and driven by learning. Fail points for me.

    On another note, I was told before that this was an April Fools joke, not so unlike the Ocarina of Time Movie Trailer(which Ironicallly had four hours of film footage.. more than enough to actually make the movie). The AF stood for April Fools. It’s very interesting to learn that it is not even a fan art per se but, part of a fan fiction that someone had been trying to develop.

    Great work again! Way to be a beast and discover the truth! ^^ keep it up man! You never fail to impress

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Thanks, Cob!

      That’s a good point about it being a fan fiction that David tried to develop. What’s fascinating to me is that he never really did. It has been 13 years and David still doesn’t have his story up. He just founded that blogspot site earlier this year.

      Meanwhile the one image he drew and sent into a magazine in 1999 was posted online and went viral. This then caused artists and authors around the world to write their own Dragon Ball AF series that can now be bought in physical form, like YoungJiji and Toyble’s versions, along with action figures and various other spin offs.

      All of this while the original creator remained unknown.

      • cob1

        That really is extremely interesting! Haha, perhaps secretly, that was his plan all along. I wonder how it feels to have an idea that you never finished but was adapted by so many into a multitude of fictions, arts, and just… to be the subject of such debate and conversation all the time. It must be mad cool. Do you think he ever goes and looks into the things that have been inspired by his one simple drawing?

        • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

          Yeah, I have a potential interview with David in the works. If it’s approved then I’ll be sure to ask this question.

          Do you (or anybody else reading this) have other questions for David?

  • kidwacy

    dats funny it was never goku ..welll now sum1 should put Tablos character in the AF STORYS now

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if someday we have Super Saiyan 5 Goku fight against Tablos, haha. Maybe in Dragon Ball Multiverse, like this whole thing was caused by some rift in dimensional time space.

    • PB4

      Maybe he could be a twin of Goku’s or something? I don’t know, but should be interesting.

      Is SSJ 4 Gogeta considered an alternate form of regular SSJ 4? His hair does turn red, which is unusual from the past Vegetto/Gogeta fusions.

  • PB4

    I gotta know, what does the "AF" at the bottom mean?

    And who or what exactly is Tablos? He may not be Goku but he looks an awful lot like him.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Right. Good follow up questions. If I hear from David I’ll be sure to ask and then let you know. Or maybe he’ll update his blog at some point in the future with the answers.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Hi PB4. Just heard this from David.

      "Have a look at my blog this weekend and you will know what "AF" means.

      Of course that it does NOT mean "April Fool´s Day". It made me laugh a lot when I read this meaning on the web."

  • http://thedragonballblog.blogspot.com Biba Sen’nin

    This is stupid interesting to me. I was around on the ‘net when the AF stuff was going down – even had to talk people down from believing it in multiple times. Really, I can’t thank you enough for getting to the bottom of this – I even entered with a certain amount of cynicism, "Okay, but has he REALLY figured it out?" And god damn it, you did.

    Also, it doesn’t matter if David wanted that to be Goku or not; to Dragon Ball fans across the world, that *is* the definitive SSJ5 Goku. The amount of fanart based on that design well outweigh David’s own ambitions.

    And it’s really cool to have a high quality version of that picture now. I’ve always really liked it.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Thanks, Biba. Glad you liked it because it took a lot of effort. Of course I never would have been able to do it without Raykugen. He’s the real star of the story for finding the original magazine where it appeared. That’s the smoking gun that has been missing all these years. The elusive evidence needed to solve the mystery.

  • PB4

    Does David even know how he famous his artwork is? Must be an interesting shock, I’d love to know his reactions. You should get a Mexican friend in Calley to hook you up with an interview.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      I’m not sure what David’s thoughts are on it because he didn’t answer any of my questions. Sure wish he had! haha.

      A multilingual interview would be fun. Never done one of those before. It would be good practice for my eventual interview with Akira Toriyama. It’s gonna happen some day, I tell you!!

  • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

    Hey everyone! David Montiel Franco sent me an email. Here’s what he said:

    "I am grateful to you for use your time with me. Please, enter here, may be you
    like it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ucZ1enSpKc

    I am very busy these days but i will reveal new secrets from the origin of DBAF"

    What do you think? I’m not really sure what to think of that.

    • PB4

      His art looks EPIC. Put him in Shonen Jump I say!

  • braden

    Wow the more articles I read of yours the more I’m impressed. The amount of work that went into this article is incredible. I hope you eventually get your interview with Akira. I’d love to see the questions you ask, and perhaps we would finally get a definitive answer regarding the continuation of dragon ball series!

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Thanks for the kind words, braden.

      It would be great to interview Akira. I could spend days talking with him. Although I do have a feeling that he has long since forgotten the answers to many of the questions.

  • Just a Guest

    One word : WOW.
    You really did a great job, you should post this on all english DB forums if it’s not done yet :p Just amazing, after 13 years … I don’t know what to say xD
    P.S. : Interesting video … More people have to see it.

  • Monica

    A little part of me is disappointed that it wasnt secretly Akira Toriyama continuing the DB story…That would rock. Still its nice that they got the origin!

  • http://twitter.com/vamp21 @vamp21

    Someone finally cracked this mystery. I wondered for a long time where that image originated from.

  • goku6384

    Hola soy goku6384, venía a decir, que ya sabia algo de lo de la reviste de Hobby pero nada del autor, lo que tenia que decir es que tengo unas imágenes de un Goku SSJ5 sacadas de un libro Fanart llamado "Fight-Artbook IV". En este Artbook hay una serie de Fanarts y entre ellos se encuentran 2 imágenes de Goku SSJ5 "pero no Tablos" , por lo que podria haber una corta posibilidad de que el autor de el Goku SSJ5 se hubiera fijado de este libro para su personaje, si esa es la posiblidad hay que descubrirla, una manera de saberlo es ver la fecha del Artbook para comprobarlo.

    El autor de los Goku en el Artbook es "JUBRAN" como se confirma en las imágenes : http://static.minitokyo.net/downloads/28/33/49417http://static.minitokyo.net/downloads/27/33/49417

    Si quieres ver el Artbook, aqui tienes imágenes: http://browse.minitokyo.net/gallery?tid=39950&amp

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

      Thanks for the links goku6384. It looks like official art from a few different series, with two Dragon Ball AF images added into the mix.

      Here’s the link for the second image for those who weren’t able to see it: http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/494177

      Unfortunately they aren’t labeled correctly, as you can see that Akira Toriyama is listed as the Mangaka and Toei Animation is the studio. This "art book" of scanned images was created by a fan who mislabeled it because he didn’t know any better.

      I had never seen that second image before. It was neat!

    • Raykugen

      NOEL, HABLA EN INGLÉS QUE NO TODO EL MUNDO HABLA ESPAÑOL ¬¬

      • goku6384

        It’s moment of traduction of google

  • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ derekpadula

    David updated his blog today. Apparently Dragon Ball AF means Dragon Ball Alternative Future.

    So there you have it! Official word straight from the horses mouth.

  • PB4

    Great! One more question…. who or what is Tablos exactly?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rushan.khan.50 Rushan Khan

    awesome article,but one more question does dbaf does not count in the official series . does dragon ball ended on GT .

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Thanks, Rushan. AF is just a fan made series, so it does not count in the official series. The official Dragon Ball story by Toriyama ended at Z, after Majin Buu. The GT story was a continuation made by Toei.

  • PGV

    This news is fake. Many details are different between original and his drawing, you just have to put one image on the other on photoshop and see. You can clearly see the border doesn’t match. Colors as well. The signature is a pixelated thing in the original, anyone can adapt his own on it. The original image appeared in 97, this guy just traced it and recoloured it, and sent it to that magazine. From the article you can read he never even confirmed anything of what you are stating, and even if he would he could lie.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      There’s no way to prove or disprove his claims, except for his website. I posted the information and told the story because it’s what I had available. This is the closest we’ve ever come to finding the true origin. I’ll admit that it’s possible he’s lying because he didn’t answer any of my questions, but that’s not proof that it isn’t who he says he is.

      It really just comes down to whether or not you believe him.

  • Zachary Brooks

    Where did my comment go? went to check it and it’s not here confused.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      I’m not sure. Maybe Disqus had an error? Let me check my comment logs and I’ll try to reinstate it if it’s not showing.

  • rapsjak

    i dont think thats it. from what i found out it was published around the first of april and that for saying dragon ball april fool. or atleast thats what i discovered.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Did you read the article? The creator of Dragon Ball AF said it means Alternative Future. How can you disagree with the creator?

  • Mad_Dog

    He said it in the blog. It’s an original character created by this David fellow.

  • Dovahkiin

    CASA DO KAME

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Yeaaaaaah, I just came across that video. Fascinating how he used all of my work without giving any credit. Would have been nice, since I’m a starving artist. But oh well.

      • Victor

        I met you and your site because of the video he mentioned you in CASA DO KAME video channel, do not worry! he must have just forgotten to put the link in the video description. I am a Brazilian fan of DBZ and if not for the video channel CASA DO KAME I had not known your site :) sorry if this text has writing errors because I used the google translator to answer you and sometimes he misses :)

      • Victor

        I met you and your site because of the vídeo of CASA DO KAME video channel he mentioned you in video , do not worry! he must have just forgotten to put the link in the video description. I am a Brazilian fan of DBZ and if not for the video channel CASA DO KAME I had not known your site :) sorry if this text has writing errors because I used the google translator to answer you and sometimes he misses :)

        • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

          Thanks, Victor. You’re probably right that he just forgot. Welcome to The Dao of Dragon Ball, and thanks for your comment!

          • Marcus de Faria

            Yeah, that’s true, Derek! On Casa do kame’s video, he mentioned a lot about you, about your book, and the link to your site (Dao of Dragon Ball) is under the video (is wrote “Artigo Original”), just check. And, man… everybody is crazy about the Unknow Sayiajin, ’cause all the gotdamned magazines show that image like Goku SSJ 5! Nice job, man! DB AF has a great potential to be a real DB sequel!

          • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

            Thanks, Marcus. I didn’t realize magazines were putting Goku SSJ5 on their covers, haha.

      • MrGuiga

        I met you and your site because of the vídeo of CASA DO KAME video channel he mentioned you in video , do not worry! he must have just forgotten to put the link in the video description. I am a Brazilian fan of DBZ and if not for the video channel CASA DO KAME I had not known your site :) sorry if this text has writing errors because I used the google translator to answer you and sometimes he misses :)

      • MrGuiga

        I met you and your site because of the vídeo of CASA DO KAME video channel he mentioned you in video , do not worry! he must have just forgotten to put the link in the video description. I am a Brazilian fan of DBZ and if not for the video channel CASA DO KAME I had not known your site :) sorry if this text has writing errors because I used the google translator to answer you and sometimes he misses :)

  • Felipe Roberto Pereira

    Excelente!!!!!!!! Dragon Ball é imortal, marcando gerações.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Thanks. That’s true!

  • Pedro Lopes

    Hello, derek wanting only score presenssa here from Brazil, beautiful work that your excuse him if he forgot to put your link but he talked about you like 10 times. I really enjoyed his work. The many years I have been looking for it just now thanks to video from KAME HOUSE, I could reach you and even the author of the image.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Thanks, Pedro. I’m glad that Nelson’s video was able to bring you to The Dao of Dragon Ball. Yeah, it’s been 14 years, right? That’s a long time to look for the origin, but it was nice to finally solve the mystery.

  • Keven

    Derek actually the author of the video from House of Kami said yes it was your work that you had done all the research he only passed!

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Thanks for letting me know. I don’t speak Portuguese so I couldn’t tell.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Thanks for letting me know. I don’t speak Portuguese so I couldn’t tell.

  • Keven

    He Said you was the author !

  • joao paulo aguiar

    The nelson mention you in the video several times. Says about his work, his book and on his blog. Now on the blog I found it very good, if not for the video never would have found. As I do not speak English very well I’m using google translator so it might get a little confused.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Welcome to the site Joao. I’m glad Nelson helped you discover it.

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Welcome to the site Joao. I’m glad Nelson helped you discover it.

  • eRIC

    você trollou quase todo mundo que gosta de dbz

    you trollou almost everyone who likes dbz

  • Luiz Octávio

    Ajudo de mais nas discussões com os amigos sobre Dragon Ball (CASA DO kAME :)

  • João Pedro Owen Sullivan

    *CASA DO KAME : ME :Optimal discussion, you really sink was well. Congratulations

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Thank you.

  • Jair Gamba

    Congrats for solving this mistery! It was part of my childhood and somehow i feel kinda sad…
    Oh and i found about your site on Nelson’s channel so dont worry, he mention your work and everything with all the details.
    Best regards!

  • Guilherme Campos

    :O Muito Chocante!!!!!

  • Carlos Vinicius Silva lima

    DerekPadula Now I could understand that this supposed” super saiyan 5” would be actually a character named Tablos, he would somehow created the character in the movie-filler Dragon ball the tree of might, the villain of the film Turles?

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      You mean where did Turles come from? There isn’t very much known about Turles’ origin, but if I recall correctly Toriyama said that he should look exactly like Goku, but be evil. The idea being that Turles is what Goku would have become if he didn’t bump his head and become a good person. So Goku has to fight against Turles and defeat his opponent through the power of friendship and the genki dama.

  • Roger Pimentel

    Derek Thanks so much for discoveries! Are you a legend! Direct Hugs Parintins, Amazonas, Brazil! I got here through the Casa do Kame :)

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      You’re welcome Roger. I’m glad Casa do Kame was able to bring you here!

  • Marcus Vinicius

    dragon ball and the best series that existed agree?

  • http://mcskinsearch.com ygor

    hello Derek Where’d you get that idea dbaf?

    answer me please: presents: ygor

    • http://thedaoofdragonball.com/ DerekPadula

      Hi ygor. I did not create Dragon Ball AF. Is that what you were asking? The purpose of the article is to show who did.

  • MARCELO

    MASSA

  • MARCELO

    MUITO LEGAL SEUS DESENHOS IRRADO =)

  • MARCELO

    E QUERO AGRADECER A CASA DO KAME EU TAMBEM SOU DESEISTA

  • Caique Fernandes

    Ae! Casa do Kame!

  • Kristofer

    I’ve came across a video on either YouTube or somewhere else about Dragon Ball: AF about Goku having this dream that he meets this woman an him saying that he has a wife an the He can’t do anything with the woman But apparently somehow gets the woman pregnant in his dream. A little later on or whatnot, He ends up have a son by her But I forget what his sons name was an the boy gets to super sayan something….. maybe around 3 or 4 can’t exactly remember. He gradually got to super sayan faster than Gohan has ever did. But something was said like….. the woman told the boy to go after Goku and I think She wanted him to kill Goku. I exactly remember But It’s something to check out. Oh an I apologize for not properly introducing myself. My name is Kristofer Carl. You my email me at KristoCarl@gmail.com

  • gokusass

    Nâo e o goku